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wow can you send me the link to the whole post? i think hes wrong, has he ever shot one? if he knew the stats he wouldnt say that. Andy and Angie said themselves i believe that they have already doubled last years sales and its only feb. Thats saying something.
here ya go
fps gain is no magic formula. we're all using the same materials, or have access to materials others use. i don't think i can match the speed a mathews bow comes w/ from the factory using 452x -which is what they use. why? its not magic. they short strand their strings. they're using 18 strands of 452x for the string. why? to get the ibo speed up. why won't i do it? do you think i want folks talking about my strings the way they do zebra strings? notwithstanding i use better techniques - which i do, all things being equal - if we use the same amount and type of serving - they're string will be faster by 6 fps or so because i use 2 more strands. i can match the speed w/ an 8125 string, but then you have to deal w/ 8125, which is no big deal, but its not set it and forget it like 452x. basically, when you get a sb or a drenalin, or a sbxt - you're getting 5-6 fps of fluff or false speed because they're decreasing string weight by shorting strands. bowtech, for instance, uses 24 strands of 452x - so mathews is using 6 less strands - and still producing slower bows. mathews are great bows, but stranding down to 18 w/ 452x is a cheap speed trick (besides i can tell you by the amt of strings they make it saves a fair bit of money in the long run).
so, to make a long story short - there is no magic in speed - its science, and until a new material is invented, or converted to archery - there are trade-off's to be made, and sacrifices to be made for speed. some i'll make, some i won't.
fps gain is no magic formula. we're all using the same materials, or have access to materials others use. i don't think i can match the speed a mathews bow comes w/ from the factory using 452x -which is what they use. why? its not magic. they short strand their strings. they're using 18 strands of 452x for the string. why? to get the ibo speed up. why won't i do it? do you think i want folks talking about my strings the way they do zebra strings? notwithstanding i use better techniques - which i do, all things being equal - if we use the same amount and type of serving - they're string will be faster by 6 fps or so because i use 2 more strands. i can match the speed w/ an 8125 string, but then you have to deal w/ 8125, which is no big deal, but its not set it and forget it like 452x. basically, when you get a sb or a drenalin, or a sbxt - you're getting 5-6 fps of fluff or false speed because they're decreasing string weight by shorting strands. bowtech, for instance, uses 24 strands of 452x - so mathews is using 6 less strands - and still producing slower bows. mathews are great bows, but stranding down to 18 w/ 452x is a cheap speed trick (besides i can tell you by the amt of strings they make it saves a fair bit of money in the long run).
so, to make a long story short - there is no magic in speed - its science, and until a new material is invented, or converted to archery - there are trade-off's to be made, and sacrifices to be made for speed. some i'll make, some i won't.
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Is that post by John? ( aka bucknasty )
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·who it is they are a "Troll"....empty profile and no real merit in posting good info.............
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·A/T cracks me up sometimes........
This guy is listing a Pre 2001 HCA bow as a new 07 model and when I told him, it was not an 07, I get a nasty PM telling me if I am not intersted in buying it, to mind my own business-
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=457479
This guy is listing a Pre 2001 HCA bow as a new 07 model and when I told him, it was not an 07, I get a nasty PM telling me if I am not intersted in buying it, to mind my own business-
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=457479
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I saw that post. New bow that they havent made in years? WHATEVER . I never heard of a new '07 costing , what was it, $250- 275?mdewitt71 said:
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Yeah, he is gibblet on HuntingNet, and bucknasty on AT. He is making me some strings for my AR34 ~ I have been wating a month. He is very good, but has gotten overwhelmed by his success. He has more orders than he knows what to do with. I am in no hurry though. He's a good guyCougars09 said:
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I honestly have never heard one bad thing about his work. It goes to show you just how well the word of mouth advertising is. If you make a good product the buisness will come to you, and oh ya i plan on buying a set for my Cardiac with Orange and silver!!
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I am amazed every time I read these threads. This goes with everything we purchase. It is true a sucker is born every day if it is "top dollar" its got to be the greatest. The sad part of it is that people wont admit thats why they buy what they buy. This is the sole reason that all these infomercials are doing so great, they advertise the crap out of something charge top dollar for it and you think you paid for something great.
You will never sway a weak minded consumer to look at pure quality at a reasonable price. I GUARANTEE you that 90% of the top name bow owners never shot another bow, they just wwent to the shop and said "I want that bow right there." Never shot it, never even held it but has to have it just because a well paid magazine editor, and a bunch of forum yahoo's said so.
Ex: I bought a Dodge pick up and a my wife had to have a Cadillac, now you know the price difference of the two. The Cadillac is an over price Impala with all the bells and whistles that all break at some time. I paid top dollar for the Cadillac badge. I'm not bashing GM I like GM cars, but its a prime example.
If you can afford great advertising you can sell anything to anybody.
You will never sway a weak minded consumer to look at pure quality at a reasonable price. I GUARANTEE you that 90% of the top name bow owners never shot another bow, they just wwent to the shop and said "I want that bow right there." Never shot it, never even held it but has to have it just because a well paid magazine editor, and a bunch of forum yahoo's said so.
Ex: I bought a Dodge pick up and a my wife had to have a Cadillac, now you know the price difference of the two. The Cadillac is an over price Impala with all the bells and whistles that all break at some time. I paid top dollar for the Cadillac badge. I'm not bashing GM I like GM cars, but its a prime example.
If you can afford great advertising you can sell anything to anybody.
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Mark said:The strings that come on a mathews bow ''i wouldn't use on a SLINGSHOT
I would use a slingshot before a Mathews.
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AT is known to some as the Archery Terrorist network. There is some good and some bad over there. I am a Mutant over there and prefer to go there and chat. The rest is just bashing and garbage to me.
AT is known to some as the Archery Terrorist network. There is some good and some bad over there. I am a Mutant over there and prefer to go there and chat. The rest is just bashing and garbage to me.
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·I just got another PM from danslaugenhoup on A/T cause of the OLD bow he is trying to sell as new with warranty:
"You are a real jerk. I don't have the time for you!"
"You are a real jerk. I don't have the time for you!"
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I have news for that guy Ross has cut themselves a very large slice of that pie and The Mr. and Mrs. and the kids are going to eat every last bite. Im currently a Mathews Drenlin shooter and I also have a Mission X4 which is a mathews bow. I plan to purchase a Cardiac very soon, I will most likely keep the drenlin but the X4 may have to go. Ross will be a leader in the industry and the pie is huge and it will last for years
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